17: Sleep: Here, There, and Everywhere with Sally Conway, Part 1
In This Episode:
Sally Conway, mother of a three year old, joins Jessica for a candid conversation about sleep schedules - transitioning from skepticism to more joy in her home with easier days. They also chat about why Sally feels that sleep is the first boundary she created for her daughter that sets her up for success in life.
The Big Idea
You can work around your child’s sleep needs without being “at the mercy” of them.
Questions I Answer
What are the benefits of having a sleep schedule as a busy mom?
How to build self-worth and self-confidence in my children?
How can I find confidence to not continually question the parenting steps I am following?
Can I implement a sleep schedule for my infant but not feel trapped by it?
How to cultivate special moments you can share with your children.
Actions to Take
Book support to take sleep off your to-do list.
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Key Moments In The Show
6:33 - Different Seasons in Motherhood
8:45 - Navigating information overload around parenting techniques
12:28 - Worry over a sleep schedule controlling your life
14:55 - “Schedule” and “Free’ feel like a contradiction - but they aren’t
18:45 - Sharing in special memories with your children
21:10 - The boundary to set up your child for success in life
25:43 - Living an adventure life because of consistency
About Our Guest
Sally Conway is a wife and mother to a 3 year old daughter. Sally is a competitive barrel racer who races in rodeos from Fort Worth, Texas to Cody, Wyoming and in between. She is also the executive director of the Grace Loncar Foundation, a foundation founded in honor of her sister Grace who died by suicide at 16. The Grace Loncar Foundation helps teens and young adults fight depression while raising awareness about mental health. For more information, visit the Grace Loncar Foundation website.
Resources + Links
Stay tuned for Part 2 of this Episode
Want to know what typical sleep looks like for a child four months to six years? Then download our Sleep Milestones Guide.
Learn more about the Grace Loncar Foundation.
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Jessica Bryant 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to The Good Mornings podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Bryant. This is episode 17. Sleep: Here, There, and Everywhere with Sally Conway. In the midst of conflicting messages and societal pressures, my goal is to offer a unique perspective to you. Rather than glorifying busyness and devaluing rest, you should question whether society's priorities are skewed. What if you placed a higher emphasis on sleep within your family? Could it have the power to change your world? Of course, I'm not suggesting that you abandon yourself in all other aspects of your life in favor of mapping and bedtime routines, nor should you sacrifice relationships, travel or fun to ensure your child is always rested. However, I'm suggesting that resolving sleep issues can instill greater confidence and freedom and your family and allow you to better appreciate life's joys. All thanks to waking up, well rested each morning. I am Jessica Bryant, an internationally recognized pediatric sleep strategist motivational speaker, wife, and mother of three, including twins. Like you, I understand the pressures parents feel today. And as an expert on sleep, I'm here to help you choose good mornings.
Jessica Bryant 1:43
This conversation with Sally Conway came about because we were having a conversation at her house, and she was talking about parenting and reflecting on her daughter's almost three years old. And she said to me, she's like "Jessica, sleep was the first boundary we created as parents that we feel is going to set her up for success in life". So I was really excited about today's conversation. And we went far past that conversation about you know what sleep meant for her family and in her parenting. And so I'm excited to get started and to share with you. In today's episode, we're going to talk about how Sally was skeptical of a sleep schedule. And why why she feels sleep is the boundary she created for her daughter that set her up for success for life. And the unexpected discovery of how sleep routines lead to more joy in her home and make her days easier. So let's get started.
Jessica Bryant 2:51
I'm super excited about today's show, because I have Sally Conway with us today. And we're starting to have conversations with our season of what we wish we knew before we became parents. So Sally, thanks so much for joining us today. And can you tell us a little bit about yourself and tell us how you found sleep happy and a little bit about yourself and your family?
Sally Conway 3:17
Absolutely. So my name is Sally Conway. My husband is JD Conway and our little girl is Mary Grace. Mary Grace will be three on June 2. We live in Decatur, Texas, we raise horses. My husband is an equine vet. I'm an executive director for a nonprofit. And we found Sleep Happy because we were desperate. I am a person that requires a lot of sleep that loves her sleep. You know, we have a pretty demanding lifestyle. And you know, it had just kind of got to the point where you know and I had read some books, followed some blogs done some things and I had a really good friend Blair Ishim that had used Sleep Happy prior to it. It was actually my husband that reached out because there was a part of me that was like kind of prideful about being like, oh, I can do this. You know, I can figure this out. I can read the things I do this so much. And it was my husband. Yeah, like I was just kind of like, oh, to reach out for help on this. I felt a little bit like I was failing at it or that I was kind of being ridiculous, like making it harder than it needed to be. So I'm really thankful for my husband because he was like, we don't need like, if there's a solution to this, why are we suffering? And so he kind of reached out and was like, Hey, we are not hitting our stride here. Can you help us and so that's kind of how we got started with Sleep Happy is just I was definitely struggling but it was really my husband that kind of was willing to reach out and say let's do something about it.
Jessica Bryant 5:02
I do remember JD's message. And that in the past, you know, there are a few times that have gotten phone calls from dads and I know we're in a situation, that's always a cue, like, there's some desperation, they're ready to go, they're ready for something to change as quickly as possible.
Sally Conway 5:22
Well, I think that there's something you know that, like I mentioned earlier, there's a pride aspect to that, right, where I think as a mother, we are so reluctant to reach out for help, because we feel like sometimes we're failing that something, you know, it should be easier, or we should be more of a soldier about it and just take it like it, you know, we kind of have this whole, early childhood should kind of be this martyrdom for the mom. And so we're not willing to get the help. But God bless the husbands that are like, I just don't want to watch my family and my wife suffer, especially when I know that there's somebody out there that could give her some help.
Jessica Bryant 6:04
Yes, yes. And that's definitely where I feel like society gets it all wrong, this idea, and this pressure of where it comes from, that just sits on our shoulders, and just can press down in that. Just keep figuring it out. Like you're the owner, or the mother, you're the only one who's meant to figure it out when we're human beings, you know, and we're meant to have connections and work together. And there's definitely different timings. I feel like in parenting, where different women have different gifts. I remember I was a nanny for a family in college that had twins and a three year old, that I knew that mom was just going to love adolescents and like middle school, and she wasn't a super big fan of the younger age, the newborn to three year old range and things like that. But all she did for us and the great conversation she had for there was a couple of nanny, we were all like 18 and 19, when we were helping her so that Yeah, I think that's one of the things that I wish I understood, before I became a mom is just how much pressure it is on the mom to just figure it out for yourself. And, and, you know, asking for help is one thing, but then is the accepting the help is another piece, I feel like too.
Sally Conway 7:29
Oh for sure. I'll just put this bluntly, like the newborn stage really kicked my ass, I feel like I've no starting to, but it did, because it was a lot about the sleep, you know, I needed my sleep. And it was really hard for me to function. And some people don't, or they're kind of okay, with a little bit more, I don't know, relax, they kind of enjoy that, you know, kind of being at home sitting on the couch, nursing the baby. And it's really just not my personality, you know, I kind of like, had the baby and like, Let's blow and go like she's gonna be a part of our life. And so, you know, I definitely think that, like you said that different mothers kind of find comfort in certain seasons, that might be easier for them to navigate. But I think that that also is where if you're in a season, that you're struggling, again, and it always will circle back to this and get help in that season. You know, if you're in the adolescent season, and you're struggling to connect with your adolescent, like, get help there, you know, there's lots of great resources on kind of how to journey that. And so whatever season of motherhood you're in the wonderful thing is, is the access to help in that.
Sally Conway 8:44
But on that topic, and I think you brought it up that you know, there is so much information for help. That's also tricky. And we live in a time where we have informational overload. And I know that that really happened to me, particularly in regards to the sleep because you can, you know, get on the internet. And there's 1001, quote unquote, expert opinions. And I always say I needed somebody to really like, grab me by the hand and say, This is just what we're gonna do. Because for me, that process of trying to filter it all became even more overwhelming. And I think that for moms, especially nowadays, is this overload of information of this is how you should do this, whether it's discipline, whether it's sleep, whether it's eating, like we have just access, you know, to all of this, and some of its conflicting opinions and so trying to navigate that can be really tricky, and I think for some people to alleviate that you need a little bit more one on one, like this is just what we're gonna do. You know, as opposed to putting it on yourself to kind of like, filter it all, or at least that was my experience and has been some of my experience now is just trying to say, You know what, I'm going to educate myself, but I'm not going to overwhelm myself. And when I feel overwhelmed, I'm gonna seek the help of somebody that can really put me on a path that I can stay on that I'm not constantly questioning my next steps.
Jessica Bryant 10:26
Yes, yes. And, you know, when I had kids, I didn't have the amount of overload in your face that you did. And, you know, I have it definitely with teenagers, you know, an older children, but I don't think that's the same. When you're, you know, I always described as much as I worked with children before I had them, you know, whether it was in early childhood intervention or teaching kindergarten, or nannying, you know, you still I felt like I was on a high speed train into a black hole, you know, because you don't know what becoming a parent is until you're a parent in my respect, and I'm an only child too. So it's not like I went through it closely with a with a relative or a sister or anything. So, you know, just feeling that I was able to talk to one parent in a driveway, she handed me a book, I looked at the book, and I was like, This matches my inner voice, this matches how I want a parent, this makes sense to me, on a child development level, and with my experience, I'm going to test it out on my child, I didn't have, you know, 50 screens in my face, or messages popping up on my phone or emails in my inbox saying this way, this way, this way. So I think that's a really good point, you know, that focuses on parenthood today. And that journey is different. And I don't know if parents that are having babies today have reached that point with our technology, to where it's just like, I have to put this away. And I have to focus on what feels right for me. And if to help feels right. Okay, I'm going to go and I'm going to focus just on this help this one on one support, or this, this book.
Jessica Bryant 12:17
But one of the things that I remember, Sally, when we first talked is that you were a little skeptical. And that might not be the right word. But you were a little worried about being controlled by the schedule of a five month old baby. Do you remember what that first question, one of those first questions before we started working together was, you know, like you said, I want my baby to become a part of our family and a part of our work. And, you know, I don't want to be necessarily trapped by this schedule. I'm not sure that that's the right word. But that's some words that some families use
Sally Conway 12:54
100%, you know, and we were pretty reluctant to even get too aggressive about a schedule, because we were like, oh, man, it's just going to tie us down, we're going to be at the mercy of you know, when the naps are and, you know, there was just a lot of, of fear of just kind of to a little bit of my like parenting philosophy has been anyways, like, I want to raise a child that knows she's loved know, she is cherished, know, she is valued, and that we would do anything for her. But I also don't want to raise a child where the world revolves around them. Because I heard this quote, one time that's like, we either teach our children that the world doesn't revolve around them, or the world teaches them that the world doesn't revolve around them. We will be a lot kinder about it, then the world will be. And so it was also this just like very weird struggle of being like, you know, I that. That sounds funny, and I don't mean that to sound terrible. But for me personally just didn't want to become this person that our world just stopped and totally revolved around the child. Like, I wanted to embrace her to love her to make her the center focus of my life. But I also wanted to integrate her into our life because I loved our life. Like we love the lifestyle and feel very privileged to do the things we get to do. And so, you know, I was extremely reluctant on the scheduling thing I was like, this is just gonna be because our life any day might look different. It really could like one day we might be hauling mares when my day I might be had that meeting in Dallas, like it is just constantly in limbo. But when I talk to friends about that, now, I'm like, the most freeing thing you can do is put your kid on a schedule. And that sounds crazy. Because you're like, okay, the word schedule and free almost feels like a contradiction. But it's not because well What it does is it opens up that you know, what's not freeing is not knowing when your child's gonna go to sleep, when you might have some time that you need to knock out a project. That is like really suffocating, kind of living every day in this limbo of not knowing a if your child is going to take the naps, so you can't really like commit to anything, because you don't know if you're gonna have the time to do it.
Sally Conway 15:25
So I will say one of the most freeing things I've done as a mother is put her on the schedule, because I knew very early on, okay, here's a window that she's going to be awake, that we can go and do things, we need to be, you know, you know, go get to the barn or do whatever we needed to do. And then I also knew when she was generally going to sleep, so then I had to do some computer work for my nonprofit job, I could sit down and get that work done, you know, so I had some freedom in my day to know, whatever I needed to get done, I could do that. I don't, I genuinely do not know how mothers do it. And I applaud them that kind of just like go day by day, not really knowing I'm like, I mean, even now she's three years old, and she takes a good hour and a half nap. And so I'm like, I know that I have that window of time. If I need to send some emails, if I need to take a call, if I need to go to the barn and ride a horse. I have that time, you know, and I have friends that they're like, Oh, my kid might take a nap, she might not take a nap. And I'm like, Ooh, I don't know how I could do that. I kind of like count on that time to have some of my freedom.
Jessica Bryant 16:34
Right? It gives you that pause in the day. And I was that type of person who I wouldn't say I'm a type A personality. I'm not real consistent and rigid with like things that I do. But when I became a mom, I always explained it. I'm like, Oh, well, I'm lazy. Like, I figured out that a schedule made it so much easy for me personally, because I knew when I had a moment to think or when I had a break, or when for sure. And I was done. And so I felt like it was worth it to me to miss the 630, you know, movie at the library in the back lawn? Because I was like, I would look at my watch and be like, Well, I only have 30 more minutes of my day left, like, is it worth it to me personally to go sit on a towel and sweat and watch a show? You know, and just the three year old? You know, at the time when we moved to Keller, you know, to one year olds and a four year old are they really going to remember the the movie that we sweated and got frustrated and whatever. And that's just my personality. But I was like, I'm good. That's how I thought about it, my day was so much easier when there was a schedule and a routine with one child. And then when I ended up with two, I was like, wow, we're gonna have to figure out how to get these people on the same schedule too, because it is really the only way I'm going to maintain sanity. And it's also the only way that I had to connect with my husband that night or finish a complete sentence or have a conversation. So I agree with just how freeing the schedule is. And I think it's sometimes hard to illustrate, you know, for families, what a schedule can do for you, because we're humans, and you know, that predictability, especially for young children, you know, they know those patterns, they can predict what's coming next. And that's so comforting for them.
Sally Conway 18:35
Well, and the other part of that, you know, you can look at it for I think that a schedule is really beneficial as a mother for kind of your, your own sense of self, like we're talking about, you know, time to get things done in time. But then also it I think a schedule, or for us at least it was super helpful for my connection, and my experiences with my daughter, because, you know, like you're saying a tired kid is just impossible. They really are. And I feel really sorry for him. Because I would say like 90% of behavior issues are like a result of a tired kid. And I'm like, because I knew my kid was well rested her awake times or times that were so filled with joy. And they were times that we you know, I could really enjoy her because I think some people are like, well, I don't want to put my kid on a schedule, because then we won't be able to go and do this and that and I want to share this with them.
Sally Conway 19:28
And, and I agree like we kind of live by like an 80 20% rule. You know, we break bedtime and we sometimes don't do the nap. But like at the same token, there's that consistency. And when she was awake, she was rested and felt good and was happy. And so those times where I was like, you want to make special memories with your kid, you want to be connected to your kid, like give them the chance to be rested. Nobody likes doing things. I mean, if you're tired, you know and so we can sit there and say, Well, you know, I didn't want to put him on the schedule because, you know, I want him to be able to go and do all these things with us. And that would interfere. And I'm like, Yeah, but I mean, a kid that's not napped is, is a pretty miserable. Or a kid that hasn't slept all night is a considerable good. So you know, if you want to share in these great moments in these special memories with your children, like give them the sleep so that those can be happy moments. And they're not tearful and melting down because they're overstimulated and exhausted.
Jessica Bryant 20:36
Yes. Oh, Sally, so many good nuggets. So one of the things that we were going to talk about today was your thoughts now that your see probably two and a half years, almost two and a half years, outside of when we first worked together, and when you first put in lots of focused ever, you know, resetting, creating the routines for Mary Grace. And she was, I believe, five months at the time when we work together. So that feeling that you feel that sleep is the first boundary that you set for your child that really sets her up for success in life. So I was wondering if you could tell me kind of your, your thoughts about that, and how that works in your home?
Sally Conway 21:24
Yeah, so I think that the journey and parenting is we do for our kids until they can do for themselves, right? Like that is the goal is that we kind of cultivate all along, we're cultivating within them, hopefully, this sense of confidence and independence, like I can, you know, in this, it's kind of this process, as they get older, of the things that we once did for them, they can now have the confidence to do for themselves. Because at the end of the day, that's what we want them to grow up to be to be these confident, independent, capable, loving, kind people. And so our jobs as parents is to, in this slow process, start to instill those things. And to me, sleep is one of the very first things that I initially did for her that I believe that she could then do for herself. And I wanted her to gain the confidence that, you know, at the beginning, that's, you know, when they're tiny, you help sue them, right, you help soothe to put them to sleep. And then it became where she was developmentally at a place where she could begin to learn to soothe herself.
Sally Conway 22:38
And that can go us down a whole tangent of the importance, because now that I'm in toddlers, of being able to self regulate, and I really believe that learning to kind of self soothe early on is also a cornerstone for them learning and having the confidence to regulate themselves. Because as an adult, that's such an important skill, to feel something and to then be able to identify that emotion and work through that emotion is so important. And so I really see it as an opportunity, you know, this, quote, unquote, sleep training is more of a like sleep, equipping, I'm a daughter, to then have the skill set that she needs to be able to put herself to sleep because I am such a strong believer, especially working in mental health, have the ability to recognize what your body and your mind needs, and then being able to provide that to it is so crucial. It is crucial to a person's wellness, both physically and mentally. So for me, and it was my cousin that actually kind of reframed that, you know that I was actually not taking anything from my daughter, because I think we see it as Oh, well, we're taking away this sense of comfort for them. And I was actually giving her something, I was giving her the opportunity to learn for herself, how to put herself to sleep, how to notice her body was tired, and to put herself to sleep, and then believing in her that she could do that. And that is parenting, right? That is seeing our children and saying, I have enough competence in you that I believe in your ability to do it. And when we believe in our kids, and we instill that confidence, we genuinely give them like the world, right? We give them that they go and take on anything. And so that was really important to me, kind of when I framed it that way of saying like, I'm not taking anything from you. I'm giving you this I'm giving you this opportunity.
Sally Conway 24:45
And I think that's in the framework of like you don't just set your kids that bed and say see you later. You know it's a lot of like the steps that you talked about before is kind of mentally preparing them with kind of a routine of like, this is time for sleep. This is set Getting them up for success by providing that consistency of like, okay, we do the bath, we still do that she's three years old, and we still do bath bedtime, and we have a song that we play for her. And then bed. And we just have done that. And so I think from very early on, you kind of, you know, just like we're talking about, you don't just throw them into the pool, you set them up for success, you do the things that help them prepare, and it is a process of like, you know, maybe you come for a couple of times. But ultimately the goal is, is to be able to have the confidence in our children, that we give them the skills to do it for themselves.
Jessica Bryant 25:43
Because that is just so important to build that self worth and that self confidence, because as they grow up, they are the ones that are going to take the best care of themselves. And so, you know, growing up in a world expecting the world to take care of you or someone else to provide that worth to you externally, in my opinion sets you up for failure and struggles. So let's take a mid episode break. When we come back, we'll continue the conversation about just the joy that we see when our children take on that confidence of caring for their bodies and, and learning how their bodies feel when they are tired or when they are rested. We'll be right back.
Jessica Bryant 26:33
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Jessica Bryant 28:05
Okay, now we're back. And so I think we forget how capable these little tiny humans are. And like you said, when you've built those routines, and when you've equipped your child with good sleep routines, the joy is just more present. And that time together. As you were saying,
Sally Conway 28:27
Grace's favorite thing in the morning. She'll go. I had a good sleep. That's what she likes to say is I had a good sleep. Oh, good. I'm glad you had a good sleep. That's so good. Means we're gonna have a great day. That's right.
Jessica Bryant 28:40
That's right. Does she ever have times where she tells you that she's tired? Or she not reached that kind of stage yet?
Sally Conway 28:46
No, she's for sure. And she'll do it. Like, you know, when we're now like at nighttime, we read her a story. And she'll like the days that she's really tired. You can tell she'll pick out a shorter story. Like she just and she'll be like, I'm ready to go in my bed now. I mean, and the also I want to put it in the framework here too. This is kind of in Jessica will laugh, but we literally when she was so I compete in rodeo. And so I would go and I would travel and we'd be gone for the weekend. And we stay in our horse trailer, which is very non glamorous. And you know, I was super worried about how we were going to do this with our with our child, you know how we were going to make this work. And I can tell you what was so beautiful is that we were really protective of her sleep time. So there was multiple times where we would put her to sleep in the horse trailer, my husband would maybe be in there. We actually even have like a baby monitor system with walkie talkies of all things. And, and I would like make my run if you know she went to bed very early at like, you know, seven o'clock. And so I sometimes wouldn't compete till you know 10 o'clock at night and she would have already been asleep for three hours.
Sally Conway 29:58
And so that's another part of Uh, I want to, you know, tell moms is that it doesn't just because you have a schedule doesn't mean your life has to be rigid. Like we still went, I still went and competed, you know, we went to the mountains, we would, you know, we have done all sorts of different things had all kinds of adventures with her, she has been all over the United States in a truck and a trailer. And, you know, but we still had the consistency of the schedule. And I think that that was actually very helpful for her that since we did kind of live this adventure, some life and kind of did all these things that, you know, she still had this consistency of the sleep, which was just really helpful for her I think developmentally, and not to feel like her world was chaos, because still prioritize those things. Which was really important, I think. So I just wanted to speak to that. Just because you have your child on the schedule doesn't mean that your life needs to be limited. We literally had our child on a sleep schedule. And I was rodeoing, I was driving to Colorado with her and staying in the trailer and competing and all of those things. And it's just you just make it a priority, you just make her sleep a priority, and you do have to work around it. But it doesn't mean that you just have to be at the mercy of it, if that makes sense.
Jessica Bryant 31:25
So we will stop here with this great conversation with Sally. And I'm going to save this next part for part two. So that will be featured in Episode 18. But before we wrap up, let's talk about some takeaways from this first part of the conversation. So one thing that sat with me was working on the sleep needs of your child that Sally talks about really provided more joy for her I loved how she explained that, how her awake times are different with her daughter, when she's rested, and she's had a good nap or she's had a good morning, she also talks about how sleep has allowed them to live the lifestyle of their dreams. And I think that's such a great message that she talks about, and really brings both her and her husband that fulfillment, that they're living out their true calling. And they're combining it together to raise their child in that unique way. And I love that sleep is something that they've been able to take off their to do list in order to live this adventurous life. And the last piece, I think, is that their sleep routines, the way they have created them in their home that they share is that their child is less stressed. Because even though they are in different situations that maybe are unfamiliar to her, she is comforted by those routines that recur, whether they're in the horse trailer, whether they're, you know, traveling or whether they're at home, she can pick up those patterns at her own developmental level, that are comforting, that are the same each night.
Jessica Bryant 33:15
And I think that was a big takeaway for me that she explained how the Hleep happy plan has played out in her family. Over the last two and a half years since we work together. I love how Sally shares that both her and her husband's confidence in what I call, I'm putting my label on it "Mary Grace's perfect world schedule" has helped them find that freedom in that allows them to using Sally's words, work around her sleep needs and not be at the mercy of them. And Sally's right because she works in how you can be creative, how you can take that information, and you can still live your life. I mean, for example, when my children were little, you know, and we wanted to get together with friends for dinner, I would take the pack and plays with me. And I would set those up in you know, a guest room or a dining room. And I would take the pajamas and then when it was time for them. Normal bedtime, we would do our short bedtime routine, I'd put them down and then we would go sit out on the porch and enjoy the rest of the evening connecting with adults. So I love how Sally illustrates how they use the perfect world schedule to make their lifestyle work and then leaving you with this quote we do for our kids until they can do for themselves. And I think that's such a great, concise way to illustrate.
Jessica Bryant 34:55
I know that it's my goal to cultivate along with our children and That sense of confidence and independence as they grow, and they can do more for themselves. And as Sally mentioned, sleep was the first thing that she was doing for her child that her child could do for herself. So I'm excited to share with you the second part of the episode that talks more in detail about Sally's gifts that she works with the world and also some mental health topics and how those apply to sleep. So stay tuned for that episode coming next week. Thank you for listening and enjoying Sally share how her mornings are more joyful because of sleep. And so I hope that helps you. Choose good mornings for yourself and your loved ones.
Jessica Bryant 35:55
I loved hanging out with you today. And I'm so grateful you were here. I hope you left feeling comforted by the messages you heard. I hope they helped you quiet the societal pressures that are in your mind, and focus on what really matters to you, and your parenting journey. I also hope you've heard messages that made you feel like the good parents you already are. If you enjoy the show, and you would like more information about me, and Sleep Happy Consulting. The process is simple. First, visit my website at www.sleephappyconsulting.com or click the link in today's show notes. Second, sign up for our weekly sleep happy email. And third, stay connected with Sleep Happy and the Good Mornings podcast. Thank you for listening and being a part of this space where we value arrest and solving sleepless nights so that it's easy for you to choose to have good mornings. I'm Jessica Bryant and this is the Good Mornings podcast.
Jessica Bryant has been called the best speaker on baby sleep, transitioning to parenting, and balancing work and family. She is a woman who loves speaking to corporate audiences, postpartum support groups, and church communities about how to parent the way you dreamed of. She is a sleep strategist and host of the Good Mornings Podcast.
The Good Mornings Podcast is the best parenting podcast for moms and dads. The transcript for this episode is created by Otter.AI, so please excuse any typos, misspellings and grammar mistakes.
